This problem of the source charge and its associated EM fields and potentials and their energy is at the very heart of freely extracting EM energy from the seething vacuum. It has been referred to as the most difficult (and unsolved) problem in electrodynamics, both classical and quantal. There is no solution to it that is possible in classical Maxwell-Heaviside electrodynamics and electrical engineering -- in your own field --- because that model erroneously assumes an inert vacuum. On the other hand, the rigorous basis for its solution has been available in particle physics since 1957, with an award of a Nobel Prize to Lee and Yang for predicting that basis. In the 45 ensuing years, that proven basis has not even made it across the university campus to the electrical engineering departments, for them to change their now quite seriously flawed model and include it in the model. If you have a serious scientific bone in your body, then I urge you to seriously try to find a discussion of this problem --- or even a mention of it --- in one of your textbooks (any textbook presently used in Universities). You will not find it in Jackson, Classical Electromagnetics, e.g., and that is a really superb text of the conventional kind. I can tell you, however, where to find it hidden in particle physics and quantum field theory, in work by Nobelists. It is easily established experimentally that no EM
energy input is received by the source charge to feed it, and yet a
continuous observable
EM energy output really occurs. Hence the conventional model --- your
model in electrical engineering, and the model that is completely accepted
by the Skeptical community --- already unwittingly accepts forbidden
perpetual motion machines on a vast scale unparalleled in human history.
And most of the professors and students and skeptics don't even realize
it!
observableIf you really oppose perpetual motion
machines, then where is your clarion call upon the conventional classical
electrodynamics and electrical engineering to rid themselves of those
dirty old forbidden perpetual motion machines called source charges?????
forbiddenNow either the source charge problem has a legitimate solution (requiring energy input, since observable energy input
is falsified by experiment) or else it alone already falsifies the entire
conservation of energy law (first law of thermodynamics). Your own model
already implicitly accepts that latter notion, without your having
realized it, as does the skeptical community accept that notion without
realizing it.
nonobservableTo dialog, you will have to do some explanation that might be a little foreign to you. You will have to be willing to calmly discuss such an important and recognized (but hidden) problem in ordinary electrodynamics and electrical engineering, without "everybody knows" and "COP>1.0 is perpetual motion" and the like. And you will also have to be exact on some of the concepts and definitions that folks get very sloppy with and misuse appreciably, even in many of the textbooks. E.g., tell me the exact difference between COP and efficiency of a system. Is a closed thermodynamic system closed with respect to energy exchange between it and its environment? Exactly what is the difference thermodynamically between a closed system and an open system? Can a closed thermodynamic system be in disequilibrium in an exchange with its external environment? And what are the permitted negative entropy characteristics (thermodynamically) of a nonequilibrium steady state system -- such as an electrical charge??? Where is the rigorous thermodynamics proof, already in the literature? Are you aware of the implications of the gauge freedom axiom in quantum field theory, also used by all electrodynamics, which assumes one can freely change the potential energy of a system at will, without cost?
Hey, it's only the very basics! Either you
know and are aware of such things, or you do not know "the truth"
electromagnetically or even the basis for recognizing it.
one. Have you
ever heard anyone refer to a "permissible" perpetual (continuous) motion
system? Examples of the permissible continuous motion machine are the
windmill, waterwheel, sailboat, solar sail, and every charge in the
universe. Every charge in the original matter of the universe has been
doing its "continuous or perpetual motion" bit for some 14 billion years,
according to prevailing cosmology theory, and it is still doing it. All
of those example
forbidden
perpetual (continuous) motion systems exhibit COP = infinity, even though
their efficiency is less than unity. E.g., the efficiency of the typical
solar cell may be 17%, and it therefore wastes 83% of the energy input to
it by its environment, outputting only 17% of what it freely receives.
Nonetheless, its COP is infinity, because the operator does not have to
input any energy at all, and COP is defined as useful output divided by
operator input. Do you understand why the COP of a system can be overunity
and even infinity, while the efficiency is never greater than 100% and
almost always much less? If so, then show me why, or --- if you think not
-- then explain why not. If you think COP>1.0 means forbidden perpetual
motion, then tell me why and we'll discuss it rationally, and I'll give
you the necessary references and insight on the subject. We'll dialog
with you, once we ascertain that you are actually serious scientifically
and willing to face the rigorous scientific facts, in physics and not just
standard electrical engineering, rather than just make ad hominem attacks
and snide remarks. We will not dialog with you on any other subject.
permissibleIf you wish a reasonable dialog, there you are. If you do not wish one, then don't contact me again. Tom Bearden I would rather you not include the exchange on your web site per se; this is intended as an exchange personally between you and I, because I think you are making an effort. I don't have time to get into all sorts of explanations and questions from other parties. I'm shucking extra tasks now, not taking on more! Physically I'm limited (though slowly beginning a little recovery) and simply do not have the stamina, much less the inclination. And during this next year I simply have to get out the explanation of the proper thermodynamics of COP>1.0 and COP = infinity EM circuits and systems, and the hard references proving it. Together with a colleague, we also have to get out the theory of inverted circuits, which work just backwards to everything in the textbook. To get more power in the load for a given voltage, you decrease the current, for example, when the circuit works in inverted fashion. It is not the current per se that is important, but the energy flow through the circuit and how much energy gets dissipated in the loads and losses. There is a way to trick the circuit into thinking it's almost a static circuit, but still have the normal dynamic energy flow without the current flow. As you can see, this is not included in electrical engineering! But it is good physics, just a bit off the beaten path. I have one other message exchange coming to you, and then will cease unless you wish to continue and find the exchange useful to you. I will in fact explain completely the source charge problem's solution, and I promise to use nothing but simple arithmetic. The mathematics only precisely manipulates the physics concepts anyway, as pointed out by Feynman. The physics is in the concepts; their precise manipulation is in the mathematics. But both efficiency and COP do apply to the solar cell. That one you just have to face, because they both apply to any power system. They also apply to a windmill, waterwheel, sailboat, and charge --- all of which have permissible COP = infinity. They are actually thermodynamics concepts, and thermodynamics applies to all those systems. Tom Bearden
At least the exchange was honest and
straightforward. But you backed away a bit from facing a lack of
understanding of higher electrodynamics and what particle physics has
proven. Don't worry, that is understandable. We are speaking about
models and modeling, not absolutes.
operator's input. A
windmill also has a COP = infinity.
Same type calculations apply for a windmill, sailboat, waterwheel, etc. The main point is that no machine can exhibit an
greater than 100%, because to do so it would output more energy than is
input to it from all sources, which would mean that the machine is efficiency
creating energy from nothing.
That is what a forbidden perpetual (continuous) motion machine purports to
do, and that is why it is forbidden. It violates the conservation of
energy law. But it applies to
efficiency, not to COP.
E.g.: here is Max Planck's definition:
“It
is in no way possible, either by mechanical, thermal, chemical, or other
devices, to obtain perpetual motion, i.e., it is impossible to construct
an engine which will work in a cycle and produce continuous work, or
kinetic energy, from nothing.”
Max Planck, Treatise on Thermodynamics, 3rd ed., Dover, New York,
1945.
Here Planck defines what
he means by a forbidden perpetual motion machine, as an engine purportedly
producing continuous work or energy output, but with no energy input at
all (from nothing). As you can see, an engine producing continuous
(perpetual) work or energy output, but
friendly skeptic is useful,
and keeps one honest and on his toes if the critique is in a reasonable
fashion and is scientific. It's the ad hominem attacks and slurs and
calling names that have nothing to do with science, but merely
constitutes a cur dog fight, not a scientific exchange or discussion.
Scientists do not have to agree! They just have to be civil and
reasonable in their disagreement. Else they are cur dogs, not scientists.Now with Planck's definition, and with two kinds of perpetual (continuous) motion systems in mind --- permissible and prohibited --- let us do a little gedanken experiment. At the origin point of a coordinate system in the lab, one suddenly (let us assume essentially instantly) produces a charge. Prior to this, along a convenient radial reaching from that origin point across the universe, one has placed perfect instrument packages every microsecond of light speed travel. Let us disregard the transient pulse formed when we suddenly produced the charge. We are interested only in nontransient measurements. One microsecond after the formation of the charge, the first instrument package suddenly reads (values of the E-field and scalar potential, for example, and thereafter the readings remain as long as the charge remains. Another microsecond later, the second instrument package suddenly reads, and the reading thereafter remains continuously. And so on. Precisely one year later, the instrument package one light year from that origin point on earth -- at a point out beyond the solar system --- suddenly reads and thereafter the reading remains continuously. And so on. In one year, that charge has changed the energy density of a volume of space one light year in radius, and the energy outflow is continuing at light speed outwards. If you calculate the energy change for an assumed charge you might produce in the lab, that is an enormous amount of energy that has been poured out. The charge is pouring out a certain number of joules per second, and it has been doing it for one year. So simply multiply the joules per second by the number of seconds in a year, and that is how many joules of EM energy that charge has poured out into that volume of space, into its fields and potentials, and it is still doing it at the same rate.
At the same time, a
perfect instrument package in the laboratory has continuously indicated
that no Any physicist or electrodynamicist will agree that the experiment works that way (and we can actually do parts of it, just not that far out, and verify it). Of course, the intensity of the field falls off inversely as the square of the distance, but it does not reach zero at any point in space that it occupies, even for the next billion years. The intensity of the potential falls off inversely as the distance, but it does not reach zero, even for the next billion years. Further, it was not a one-time "pulse" of energy that passed each instrument package, but a steady flow, because if only a pulse had passed, the reading would have been momentary and transient, then would have fallen back to zero at each package.
I accent that we have
here the most elementary thing in electrodynamics: the production and
continuous replenishment of the associated EM fields and potentials from a
source charge. In the EE you took, somewhere back in the 60s or so they just "dropped" and suppressed all mention of this "source charge problem"; i.e., where is the input energy coming from, if it is coming at all, and in what form is it input? If there really were no EM energy input to the source charge at all (as EE assumes), then this experiment would falsify the entire energy conservation law.
So we have confronted a
seemingly
But what we actually
have is a
Now stop a moment and
think. Try within your own training to think of some way that real,
observable EM energy is somehow being input to that charge, and "fooling"
a perfect instrument set. Play with that notion for awhile, and see if
you can come up with something. The best classical EM theoreticians have
not done so and have not solved it All we have discovered is that a particular model is never complete. This does not mean that the classical model is useless! It means it is useless in trying to describe certain kinds of phenomena, such as where every joule of EM energy comes from and where the EM fields and potentials come from and how they are created from what energy. For those kinds of things that the EE model describes, it is perfectly useful. The electrical engineer can certainly design an electrical motor and it will work exactly as intended. But it means that the model is limited, and cannot and does not explain where the EM energy in an EM field or potential comes from, and how the energy gets to that charge so that it can be absorbed and then re-emitted by it.
As Sen stated:
And Bunge succinctly
stated: Oddly, the physicists themselves have not applied the solution to electrical circuits! Perhaps they have assumed that is the job of the electrical engineering professors and the classical electrodynamicists. It seems to have been just one of those things that got discovered and "fell through the cracks" with respect to electrical engineering. Now let us go and get the solution (I put together the solution in 1999 and formally published it in 2000).
In 1956-57, Lee and Yang
theoretically and strongly predicted broken symmetry in physics. This was
such a revolutionary change to all of physics, if it were true, that
scientists leaped upon it immediately to see if the prediction was upheld
in nature. Wu and her colleagues rapidly proved it experimentally in
early 1957, decisively, with immediate publication of the results in our
leading physics journal (C. S. Wu, E. Ambler, R. W. Hayward, D. D. Hoppes
and R. P. Hudson, "Experimental Test of Parity Conservation in Beta
Decay," As stated, this was so revolutionary a change that the Nobel Committee awarded Lee and Yang the Nobel Prize in December 1957, the very same year, at almost unprecedented speed. In the short space of two to three years, a great revolution in physics -- including electrical physics -- was born. Let us now examine the impact of this revolution in physics upon the old comfortable classical EM model and electrical engineering. One of the broken symmetries proven by Wu et al. is the asymmetry of opposite charges --- such as on the ends of a dipole, and as involved in any dipolarity. Rigorously this means that a dipole or dipolarity continuously absorbs virtual photons from the seething vacuum virtual energy flux, coherently integrates them into observable photon size (probably by its spin), and re-emits the absorbed energy as radiated normal, observable photons in all directions. The dipolarity of an EM circuit is what actually produces all the EM energy in that circuit (and lots more that is not caught by the circuit, but is just wasted. Lorentz also arbitrarily discarded that extra energy).
Voila! Now we have the
magic answer to the source charge problem, once we realize that any
"isolated" charge is actually a dipolarity, as shown and proven by
standard quantum field theory (our most successful physics theory).
Simply check it out in the popular book by Nobelist Weinberg, Per quantum field theory, an observable charge is clustered around by virtual charges of opposite sign, in the immediate vacuum. So we see the "inside" or real charge (the "bare" charge, which is infinite) only through an intense Faraday screen of opposite charges (which is also an infinite charge). The difference between these two infinite charges happens to be finite, and it is the observed (seen through the screen) value of the observable charged particle that is recorded in all our textbooks and handbooks. So now we know that the classical "isolated" source charge we placed in the laboratory at the origin point, is actually a very special kind of dipolarity. Hence we know that the broken symmetry of opposite charge applies to it. The source charge assembly continuously absorbs virtual EM energy from its vacuum exchange, coherently integrates it into observable photons, and re-emits real, observable, EM energy in all directions. This continuous free emission of transduced real observable EM energy from the vacuum is what provides the continuous, free, energy flow that creates and continuously replenishes the associated EM fields and potentials at light speed, expanding in all directions at light speed from the moment the charge appears. The easiest thing in all the world is to extract EM energy from the vacuum, anywhere, anytime. Just assemble a charge or make a dipole. That is the easy part, and trivial. The hard part is to then make a circuit which intercepts and collects some of that freely gushing EM energy from the vacuum, dissipates it in a load, and does not use half the collected energy to destroy the source dipole that is extracting the energy from the vacuum in the first place. All present electrical engineers are taught to only build circuits that destroy their source dipole faster than they power their loads. So one has to find what characteristic of the circuit does that, and change that characteristic at least an appreciable fraction of the time. All observable EM energy in the universe --- every joule of it -- comes from the active vacuum via this proven "extraction and transduction of energy from the vacuum" process. The charges in the original matter in the universe have been doing that for some 14 billion years, if one accepts the conventional cosmology. And the charges are still doing it. All real, observable EM energy in the universe came into 3-space by this process, and the process is ongoing universally.
So now let us apply the
definition of COP to the charge, for it is also a Maxwellian system.
Analogous to a windmill's output of mechanical energy, the charge has a
free and continuous EM energy output, let us say K joules per second,
without any operator input. Understand, it does indeed have an energy
input, and so conservation of energy is not violated. But the operator
does not have to furnish any of the energy input himself. So we have
(K>0)/0 for a COP = infinity. Again, this is a perfectly legitimate COP,
and the charge is a perfectly permissible perpetual (continuous) motion in
the Planck definition, so long as we do not state that no energy at all is
input to it. The energy Again, we are speaking models and modeling. To solve the source charge problem, we simply had to turn to a more extensive EM model, that models phenomenology of the active vacuum exchange with the charge --- which EE and CEM do not. The bottom line is that every joule of EM energy in the universe, including in every electrical circuit, comes from that process and only from that process. The mechanical energy input to the shaft of a generator has nothing at all to do with the actual production of the EM energy that pours from the terminals of the generator, filling all space around the attached external conductors. And that is quite contrary to electrical engineering, which erroneously assumes that the mechanical energy is translated into internal magnetic energy inside the generator by the rotor's rotation (and it is), and then that somehow most of this magnetic energy pours out the terminals (it does not). All of it is dissipated in forcing the internal charges apart between the terminals of the generator, to form the source dipole. Not one watt of it is sent out onto the external line in the Poynting energy flow in space around the external conductors. If you are really interested in what powers the attached external circuit, we will go into that in another dialogue.
Since you are fulfilling
an
And watch out about
offering money for COP>1.0 systems and their demonstration. There are
already quite a few such systems well known in physics. The long-proven
and widely known A vast amount of new electrodynamics has been generated in particle physics, because the Maxwellian theory is quite limited. Maxwell wrote a purely material fluid flow theory, in his seminal paper in 1865, in quaternion and quaternion-like mathematics, of 20 equations in 20 unknowns. His theory was curtailed to vector electrodynamics by Heaviside, Gibbs, Hertz etc. into the present four vector equations after his death, although --- heavily criticized because of the difficulties of the quaternions --- Maxwell himself for the second edition of his Treatise (first edition in 1973) was engaged in highly simplifying his own theory when he died of stomach cancer in 1879. My point is that COP>1.0 EM systems are neither unusual nor prohibited by the laws of physics, nature, and thermodynamics. They are, however,
arbitrarily prohibited by some widespread circuit practices
(the ubiquitous closed current loop circuit, e.g., and the artificial
discarding of multivalued potentials in magnetics) and by some
curtailments by Lorentz of the Maxwell-Heaviside reduced equations.
' That curtailment of Maxwell's theory
and what it entails is a
point that should be strongly pointed out to electrical engineers and
should be mentioned in their textbooks, but it is not. At least its
implications are not pointed out. The regauging in fact
arbitrarily discards all
permissible Maxwellian COP>1.0 systems.
Since all electrical power engineers have used the closed current loop circuit and Lorentz's symmetrical regauging of Maxwell's equations, we therefore have never had COP>1.0 electrical power system circuits developed that used only the energy extracted from the vacuum. In higher group symmetry electrodynamics such as O(3), the internal interactions of the --- consisting
of three parts: (1) the active vacuum and its dynamics, (2) the active
local curvatures of spacetime and their dynamics (also omitted in EE), and
(3) the physical system --- can be accurately modeled, and at least some
of that is underway. Some O(3) references by the Alpha Foundation's
Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS) (Myron W. Evans and 14 other
co-authors) relating to EM energy from the vacuum are:
supersystem
"The Aharonov-Bohm
Effect as the Basis of Electromagnetic Energy Inherent in the Vacuum,"
"Derivation of the B(3)
Field and Concomitant Vacuum Energy Density from the Sachs Theory of
Electrodynamics,"
"Anti-Gravity Effects in
the Sachs Theory of Electrodynamics,"
"Operator Derivation of
the Gauge Invariant Proca and Lehnert Equations: Elimination of the
Lorentz Condition,"
"The Most General Form
of the Vector Potential in Electrodynamics," M. W. Evans, T. E. Bearden,
and A. Labounsky,
"The Aharonov-Bohm
Effect as the Basis of Electromagnetic Energy Inherent in the Vacuum,"
"Effect of Vacuum Energy
on the Atomic Spectra,"
"Runaway Solutions of
the Lehnert Equations: The Possibility of Extracting Energy from the
Vacuum," "On the Representation of the
Maxwell-Heaviside Equations in Terms of the Barut Field Four-Vector," Tom Bearden |